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Old 02-23-2005, 01:17 PM

what is art?

this is to piss off the admins (and everyone), so ill just let you know now.
what do you think is art? we have obviously had conflicting reports on whether cinema 4d and photoshop can produce art. yah i helped it, sorry, im over that much, but i am now more interested in where you guys/gals would draw the line. do you consider music art? literature? poetry? interpretive dancing!?
alright this isnt to be an argument, because those are gay. yes i said gay. so admins and mods i think it would be in the best interest if you keep the thread argument free, if it goes anywhere that is.
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Old 02-23-2005, 01:46 PM

Art is an expression. And, of course, photoshop and cinema 4d have the ability to create art. Shit, PAINT has the ability to create art. The thing is, most people today dont make art using photoshop, they make a blob of colors and slap there name on it.
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Old 02-23-2005, 01:55 PM

I despise some modern art museums nowadays. I think about all of the Deviant Art pieces i've seen that are so spectacular, and yet when i visit an art museum, I find at least one work of "art" that is merely white paper pasted on the wall. THAT is shit. Abstracts in c4d are not.

I also think it is pretty stupid how paintings that look like complete shit and everyone knows it, is done by a famous artist so it is worth millions.

I definitely think music and movie making is art, but i am not too big of a fan of literature. I cannot think of the last time i read a novel for enjoyment. Just for educational purposes. IMO, a picture means a lot more than words
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Old 02-23-2005, 01:59 PM

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IMO, a picture means a lot more than words
Yet you spend part of your day reading forums coincidence?

Maybe the origin of digital art had some purpose, but i am thinking that most of the people are *TRYING* to reproduce the threndwhore art. Merely becuase they want to be noticed for something that has already been done.

I'm not saying that not all abstracts are bad, in fact, i like alot of them, and wish i could make them. But i find that alot of them have no meaning, and i dont think that is what art is.
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Old 02-23-2005, 02:14 PM

I consider anything you use to express something with is art. Whether you're expressing emotions, how you feel towards something, or whatever, that is art. Alot of the trendwhore stuff alot of people do (I'm guilty myself) has very little to no meaning, it's just pretty to look at. Alot of my past art had such little meaning that say if I was feeling gloomy, I made the picture a dark color, and that's about it. Sure it has some meaning, it expresses sadness, but I consider that to be too vague. Sure it's still art, but its not meaningful real deal art.

Pretty much I consider anything you use to express yourself with is an art. Not all art is as important/meaningfull as others, but nonetheless it is still art.
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Old 02-23-2005, 02:42 PM

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Yet you spend part of your day reading forums coincidence?

Maybe the origin of digital art had some purpose, but i am thinking that most of the people are *TRYING* to reproduce the threndwhore art. Merely becuase they want to be noticed for something that has already been done.

I'm not saying that not all abstracts are bad, in fact, i like alot of them, and wish i could make them. But i find that alot of them have no meaning, and i dont think that is what art is.
I love communicating and talking with others, but we are also just chatting away. This has no real meaning. So i still stand by my opinion.
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Old 02-23-2005, 03:35 PM

to what muzikaddict first said, the blank sheet of canvas could absolutely be art. its almost like sticking a big middle finger to all who think art has to be very complicated and drawn out (i mean intricate and complex and that type of thing)... (just a thought). the same could apply to a piece of canvas with black paint all over it. it could be used to express the sentiment that eventually, all art is going to be a replica of something done before, and the black color is what would result because it would make black when all mixed together (even though black is a lack of light reaching your eyes, and white is the colors of the spectrum combined, but correct me if i'm wrong).
and just to play devil's advocate, could you not say that something made for attention is art? could you not classify all art as a sort of "cry for help", an S.O.S. by the artist to help them get some deep feelings out, but maybe they just cant express it through words or hand gestures so they paint something or write some sort of song.

(interesting stuff guys!)

ill throw this in here too: my art teacher said that she once had this debate, and in the end of this entire semester in college they had decided that art was "anything man-made". so then if this is true, would photography still be art? after all, the technical and man-made part of photography is not supposed to be evident in the final product. thats why you spend so long (and foverer) learning how a camera works...
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Old 02-23-2005, 03:57 PM

i think photography is definately an art form. Becuase specifically, the photographer is trying to capture the view of something in a new way, as to draw attention to given parts or whatever. And plus, they are capturing that image with the help of the camera, its not as if the camera would do it on its own
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Old 02-26-2005, 03:16 PM

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i think photography is definately an art form. Becuase specifically, the photographer is trying to capture the view of something in a new way, as to draw attention to given parts or whatever. And plus, they are capturing that image with the help of the camera, its not as if the camera would do it on its own
you do have to make sure the camera does it right. as in, correctly.

this brings about a point i had forgotten before...
would you guys consider photography for journalism to be art? its more in the end of objectivity (as opposed to subjectivity) where you try to show things as they are. note that it is where you try to do that.
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Old 02-26-2005, 08:03 PM

art... art... first thing when I hear the word "art" of course, is well, art, like drawings, etc... but in reality, art is all around us... music, poem, literature, graphics, photography, etc etc,

In my opinion, good art is something that gives a person an emotional stir, or something to think about, something that they can compare to... or inspiration.
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Old 02-27-2005, 07:33 AM

Art is all about creativity and thinking diffrently. Not exactly how good it looks.
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Old 03-02-2005, 03:16 PM

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I despise some modern art museums nowadays. I think about all of the Deviant Art pieces i've seen that are so spectacular, and yet when i visit an art museum, I find at least one work of "art" that is merely white paper pasted on the wall. THAT is shit. Abstracts in c4d are not.

I also think it is pretty stupid how paintings that look like complete shit and everyone knows it, is done by a famous artist so it is worth millions.

I definitely think music and movie making is art, but i am not too big of a fan of literature. I cannot think of the last time i read a novel for enjoyment. Just for educational purposes. IMO, a picture means a lot more than words
Video is especially considerd art in my opinion. It is the exact same thing as PS, a painting, or even a sketch on the side of you algebra notes. Scene compesition, lighting, sound, screenplay, special effects. Video is a compilation of almost every media out there.
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Old 03-02-2005, 04:37 PM

motorcycle building is also a combination of many art forms, video is more photography with 30 frames per second. those things you listed are more principles and elements of art. (not tryin to flame yah or anythin...)
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Old 03-02-2005, 05:46 PM

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motorcycle building is also a combination of many art forms, video is more photography with 30 frames per second. those things you listed are more principles and elements of art. (not tryin to flame yah or anythin...)

True, actually its 24 for analog and 30 for digital, but I see where you are coming from. Not to argue, but I don't think that Photography is anything like video. Sure you have to dual with lighting, scene composition and color. But what about music, screenplay, acting?

Photography is also very cool, I take Photography next year along with Cinimotography IV. I'll get a chance to learn about all of these wonderful types of art.

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Old 03-02-2005, 08:08 PM

im not a fan of plays or anything so i dont really pay attention to them or think about them... im just keeping my mouth shut because i dont have anything nice to say
but movies, im no big movie buff but i definitely like them, and as you brought up, music, lighting, and the scene can bring a great amount of, well, everything (emotion and all those good things) into cinema.
(p.s.- dood, fix your typos! "composition" no offense though)
and yah i guess im being naive by acting like i know anything about cinema, cause i dont know the first thing about it.

i do say this is the most successful thread i ever started.

edit- photography is super awesome, im only in a first year class right now, but its super amazing all of the things you have to know, and some of the things i "know like the back of my hand" now are things that i was at first in awe at. even simple print-making procedures make me feel special when i do it right.
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Old 03-07-2005, 03:28 PM

some of the people making trendwhore sigs are trying to learn photoshop so they can make art, you cant start from nowhere...its difficult to make an image really powerful if you cant even use the tool right.

art is anything that someone makes and expresses themself in some way with. part of the beauty of art it that when you don't explain it, people can think anything about it. art is best left unexplained. dont tell people what its about, thats limiting the work too much, it should be open for interpretation. asking if art is beautiful is like asking people if Britney Spears or Paris Hylton is beautiful...arguments on both sides...

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i see no art in most of the movies put out in malls and movietheaters. people whore out the big bucks to put someones books on screen most of the time. Holes was a cool book when i read it way back, but putting it in a movie is just one persons skewed (by the acting and other uncontrollable stuff) reality of the book.
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Old 03-07-2005, 03:32 PM

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some of the people making trendwhore sigs are trying to learn photoshop so they can make art, you cant start from nowhere...its difficult to make an image really powerful if you cant even use the tool right.
How is pushing the buttons art? i mean, the program does all the work, you are just experimenting with some different settings. I mean, i think its a good idea to get the basics down in order to create a masterpiece, but truthfully, once you know how to make something, or know where the controls are, shouldnt you start going away from the trends and truely creating art?

My point is, alot of the people today using photoshop are not making art. They are making the same exact thing over and over with minor adjustments like color. When are the shiney blobs of shit going to stop being made?
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Old 03-07-2005, 03:40 PM

never, people like being trendy. i started with PS because i saw other people's sigs and wanted to make them. its fun. i dont necessarily do this to make art, but to have fun. its hard to live your whole life and think an original thought anyway. but i myself am trying to move away from the trendwhore sigs, not very suggessfully. hell i think ill start doing some photomanip. photomanip can be art made with PS. pushing the buttons can come up with some original stuff, but the tutorials make it easy to push them the way hundreds of other people have pushed them.
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Old 03-07-2005, 03:48 PM

Exactly. PhotoManips take thought. I and i'm glad you want to move towards that.

But my point is, do you consitter all those sigs made with filters art? Cuz i certainly dont. We have some very talented artists here, who are making origional stuff.

The other i wanted to point out, about the making sigs becuase its fun thing. Once you realize and actually create your own piece of true art with emotion, and look back at these sigs, you'll realize its just child play.
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Old 03-07-2005, 03:51 PM

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Exactly. PhotoManips take thought. I and i'm glad you want to move towards that.

But my point is, do you consitter all those sigs made with filters art? Cuz i certainly dont. We have some very talented artists here, who are making origional stuff.

The other i wanted to point out, about the making sigs becuase its fun thing. Once you realize and actually create your own piece of true art with emotion, and look back at these sigs, you'll realize its just child play.
exactly, but you need childsplay to be able to make art. how can you draw with emotion if you dont know how to draw, or even hold the pencil?...i think i like this forum, it has prevolked my thought.

no using radial blur, find edges, and twirl in different ways is not art, they can be used to make art tho. you need more than that. you need skill and a goal other than "lets crank another cool one out and hope it impresses someone"
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Old 03-07-2005, 03:54 PM

one can argue that the same trendwhore stuff has happened with indie and emo band music and ever rap.
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Old 03-07-2005, 06:34 PM

one could argue that people use "trendwhore" effects to create a mood in a piece.
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Old 03-08-2005, 03:50 PM

like what mood? the same mood that everyone else creates when using them? i tend to disagree. unless your work is really different from what others have done and you just use trendwhore to somehow enhance it, i just dont see it. the best people on DA are the ones that enhance drawings and paintings with PS.
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Old 03-08-2005, 04:51 PM

now, what is your sig made out of?

ooooooomg cheap shot
sry, i just have hella work to do
and im cranky
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Old 03-08-2005, 04:53 PM

i dont call my sig art lol
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